Curse

MaxBorken · Jan 15, 2015, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Not "or". Maybe "and", but feathers, bones, plant fibers, etc are definitely gonna go up in price a lot.

Or perhaps return to their pre-botted prices.

Sanity.

Max

Belle Dwayna · Jan 15, 2015, 11:17 AM // 11:17

If you buy materials at the trader, price will increase. So with less bots, more people will buy at trader. I don't see how it can return to old prices...

Bellatrixa · Jan 15, 2015, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Nebiez

i was in the ally that owned hzh it wasnt bots the ally was a big active ally with ppl mtscing

Actually someone currently in that alliance admitted last night that botting is rife. I used to faction farm back in the days of EviL holding both HzH and Cavalon at once. You get used to seeing MTSC/MQSC teams in the relative outposts, even if it's just leaving for the run - people have to stop to dump faction/merch drops too. Every time I go to Unwaking, I see no one part from a couple of people doing the mission. I don't doubt there's MTSCing going on to some degree, but not to the level of faction being earned. With the current number of players, the current faction amounts are clearly illegit and there's been known faction botting going on for a long time. The Dragon Moss farmer bots which leave from Saint Anjeka's generally pick up the blessing before they kill. We know that JQ has been full of bots for a long time and those also contribute towards faction. Sorry, it's very naive to think that 103mil faction in this day and age is legitimate. As I know people in other alliances who bot with far less faction, you really can't say there's no botting going on in HzH/Altruum at all. One alliance, I'd agree 100mil+ was maybe possible (if the most active players were concentrated that highly and consistently MTSCing for long periods) but still with a degree of botting, but with the second place about 5mil behind? Come on now...

Just to make it clear, I don't give a crap which alliance owns which town. Just pointing out that there is a large amount of illegit faction being held in the top two alliances which is blindingly obvious to anyone who knows the game to any degree. I actually find it kinda sad that people care that much about faction, especially in a 10 year old game that's mostly dead compared to its former days of high population. Guess we'll just wait and see how much the faction drops, eh?

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and i think its a ban to shut down the servers befor the new gw2 expo hits the market what better way to force a big game expo then to let the original run for a few more years leech the last of its money from it then ban a bunch of people so they can shut down the servers and make people go to gw2 befor there new expo

No, they'd just make an announcement like the game's sales not covering the server costs any more, therefore the sad decision to shut them down. They don't need to play games like banning legitimate players en masse. Banning people won't encourage them to keep playing ANet/NCSoft games, quite the opposite. Are you really going to keep forking over money to a company that's banned you before for doing nothing? I don't think many people would really be that careless with their money.

People who really didn't do anything wrong and got banned... I think that number is far lower than speculated. I don't think the reasons of gold selling/third party programs is true across the board though. Seems like someone checked a load of accounts to be banned at once and just slapped the same reason on all of them.

MaxBorken · Jan 15, 2015, 11:25 AM // 11:25

They might not return to pre-botted prices, but the imbalance in the economy should level out. It's economics 101 that if something gets scarcer, the price goes up. I of all people in GW know that

. This should redress the imbalance though. Whichever level the prices adjust to will be the correct one for supply/demand.

The imbalance has been the issue as far as botted materials are concerned.

Max

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 15, 2015, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Or perhaps return to their pre-botted prices.

Which is to say, much higher than they are now. Quick lesson about GW material traders (as well as basic economics):

When players buy from them, the mats go up in price.

When players sell to them, the mats go down in price.

Consumables require materials. Consumable use, especially given the presence of wealthy long-term players who have nothing else to spend their cash on, means lots of materials being bought from material traders.

This sends price up.

Still with me here?

Bots farm materials. This has two effects. One, botters sell materials directly to material traders. This sends price down, or at least counters the rising price. Two, botters sell materials to other players who want to craft consumables. This reduces the amount of materials players buy from material traders, again slowing down the price increase.

There is utterly no reason to assume that a sudden drop in the supply of crafting materials is going to somehow make them cheaper.

Material prices will only go up (ones used in cons that is), and they'll probably start doing it a lot faster.

BlankCode · Jan 15, 2015, 11:37 AM // 11:37

Hello! I got banned too i will say everything as it is..

I was a boring motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOer so i decided to run a ldoa bot from lvl 9 to lvl 10

and i woke this morning banned

I guess i had it coming for myself.. Sometimes the laziness will just screw me up. R.I.P My future Ldoa title

Dont act inoccent, say what you did!

Was fun playing this game for so many years. I'm happy that my addiction to GW ended with this perma bann

Now i will have more time for diffrent stuff.

I Bid farewell to this community and everyone that plays it. Also good job anet ! I am really surprised by this.

PS: I by myself reported atleast 20 JQ bots the past 2 weeks. I guess i made myself banned too

Zephyr of Light · Jan 15, 2015, 11:38 AM // 11:38

I give the Guy props for flushing out 20,000 Zkeys (lol how obv JQ botted) of the game.

Bellatrixa · Jan 15, 2015, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Which is to say, much higher than they are now. Quick lesson about GW material traders (as well as basic economics):

When players buy from them, the mats go up in price.

When players sell to them, the mats go down in price.

Consumables require materials. Consumable use, especially given the presence of wealthy long-term players who have nothing else to spend their cash on, means lots of materials being bought from material traders.

This sends price up.

Still with me here?

Bots farm materials. This has two effects. One, botters sell materials directly to material traders. This sends price down, or at least counters the rising price. Two, botters sell materials to other players who want to craft consumables. This reduces the amount of materials players buy from material traders, again slowing down the price increase.

There is utterly no reason to assume that a sudden drop in the supply of crafting materials is going to somehow make them cheaper.

Material prices will only go up (ones used in cons that is), and they'll probably start doing it a lot faster.

When do you think plant fibres will break 1k at the trader?

I've argued before that botting is somewhat of a necessary evil in a game with declining population. That's if you want to stand a chance of being able to afford some items. There's going to be a lot of inflation on the way pretty soon. Not saying that botters shouldn't be banned or that people should bot, just that they do help keep prices low.

Arkon Necrocannibal · Jan 15, 2015, 11:43 AM // 11:43

I've heard two guys talking about 2nd ban wave tonight.
Any clue about that guys ? Fake or not ?

BlankCode · Jan 15, 2015, 11:47 AM // 11:47

I think that witouth those 4k accounts the game will just die out

GG

P.S: IF tooburns read this.. i want you to know i got the q8 15^50 storm bow for 700e .. right before you buy it .. GG RIPPERINO CAPUCHINO BYE BYE STORM BOW

Belle Dwayna · Jan 15, 2015, 11:49 AM // 11:49

If no official announcement or a screen of a conversation with a GM, you can say what you want. Ok let's start a new rumor : I heard that they'll ban once a week to clean GW1 servers and launch they new GW2 extension.

Wolftail · Jan 15, 2015, 01:04 PM // 13:04

i think people get banned if they BUY gold as well, not just sell.

There are other things that you could get banned for not just botting, buying /selling gold

Wolftail · Jan 15, 2015, 01:59 PM // 13:59

as i said before, there are many reasons to get a ban besides botting and selling gold
you also get banned for buying gold from a gold seller for example.

Ghen · Jan 15, 2015, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Flint Lightning

Yes they banned 17 of my acc's I have 1 left lol

I understand one could have an alt or two for storage, but what exactly do you do with 17 account other than botting?

BlankCode · Jan 15, 2015, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by Ghen

I understand one could have an alt or two for storage, but what exactly do you do with 17 account other than botting?

Bot and show off

pkodyssey · Jan 15, 2015, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Nebiez

i was in the ally that owned hzh it wasnt bots the ally was a big active ally with ppl mtscing

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and i think its a ban to shut down the servers before the new gw2 expo hits the market what better way to force a big game expo then to let the original run for a few more years leech the last of its money from it then ban a bunch of people so they can shut down the servers and make people go to gw2 befor there new expo

That's a load of crap regarding hzh!! Sure there were a ton of people BUT no way could that be sustained 24/7 without botting.

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I tried gw2, couldn't stomach it. It doesn't have the same playability. No way will I go back.

**cosyfiep** · Jan 15, 2015, 03:29 PM // 15:29

back in the day...there was no extra storage and some stores were almost giving gw away (you could get a copy for $5)....so LOTS of folks bought extra copies; many are (were) being used as mules for all those items they collect (yes I have a storage account or two). If you think about it buying an account for under $10 gets you at least 4 character slots and a storage tab (or 2?)...which is still cheaper than buying a character slot from the ingame store.

and from what I saw...those gold sellers are STILL standing in lions arch, kamadan and eye of the north (you know who they are...just open the search up when you get there and especially in la and eye you will see only ONE person posting there---for RL $).

No idea what prompted the monkeys over at areanet to do this now--it will not look good for gw2 really (as someone has already pointed out, why pisss off your customer base?)--since they have shown zero percent interest in this game (have some of them even played gw?).....guess we will never know since they dont seem to tell us stuff anymore either. (just glad they arent banning for texmod

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jayson · Jan 15, 2015, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Checked both accounts and no issues here.

svardi · Jan 15, 2015, 03:55 PM // 15:55

I think it is a response from ArenaNet about the recent mass reporting of the botting problem to the support service (that was documented in these forums with meticulous precision). I don't think that ANet cares a lot about GW, or rather the InGame economy anymore.

I am sure that they have internal guidelines that order to waste as little resources on GW1 as possible, and the highest maintaining costs for GW1 are now besides the server costs (which are probably rather low) obviously the costs for the support service team. This theory is backed by the fact that many have probably noticed that many support tickets get silenced with little words or auto-responses, or in some cases not answered at all.

I've already said this regarding the recent HA update: If you guys piss the staff with your autistic complaints off, they will piss you off with drastic radical measures. One would think that a 10 year old community would by now have learned to moderate itself and not run to the authorities about every itty bitty perceived unfairness - but no. This trend will probably go on over a few more iterations and slowly but certainly kill off what is left of the community. But whatever.

Yes, you guys are right - the vast majority of all bans have probably been more than justified. But I have heard some reports of people of which I am absolutely sure that they did not do anything that would justify the termination of their accounts (And no - I am not part of these people). And for these people - even if it's just a few - I am sorry that they have to suffer for the stupidity and ignorance of the rest of the community. I am also sure that most of these people will not come back, and that is for a reason.

I think I'm done with my little rant. Peace out!

*Darcy* · Jan 15, 2015, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Now I'm afraid to log into my account. Let me know when it's been cleared up.